Episode 13: Epistemic Crisis: Processing Minneapolis and Our Country’s Fraying
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In this episode, we drop any pretense of emotional distance and sit with the rage, grief, and fear stirred up by the killings of Alex Pretti and Renee Good in Minneapolis and the broader wave of state violence and ICE abuses. We wrestle with what it means to honor anger without abandoning our core commitment to bridge-building, and we ask a simple but urgent question: What do we want to tell our grandkids we did during this time?
Trevor unpacks some bad-faith “what about” arguments, and we discuss the theological and moral failures of American evangelicalism in this moment, and why some conservatives’ defenses of government violence amount to either ignorance, bad faith, or straight-up bullshit. We connect the dots from ICE raids to competitive authoritarianism, from Romans 13 to Harry Frankfurt, from the Declaration of Independence to today’s headlines—all in an attempt to name the Rubicon we’re crossing and insist that government-sanctioned killing of citizens is a line we must refuse to normalize.
Segments & Timestamps:
00:00 - Content Warning & Join us at our Treefort Live Show!
02:59 - Setting the Stage
06:39 - Violence, Authoritarianism & Responsibility
10:25 - Minneapolis Killings & ICE
17:33 - “What About?” Arguments
21:51 - Law, Order & Hypocrisy
28:44 - Evangelicals & State Power
37:07 - Lying vs. Bullshitting
43:37 - Competitive Authoritarianism
52:34 - Future of the GOP
59:48 - Founding Ideals & Tyranny
1:01:58 - Good News: Ellis Island Day
1:04:27 - Good Take: Ben Cremer
1:06:38 - Closing & Credits
Mentioned:
French in NYT: ‘Noem Needs to Go’: Three Columnists on ICE in Minneapolis
Ben Cremer: @brcremer
On Bullshit by Harry Frankfurt
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